The Cult That Snapped

I just finished reading Karl's book this past weekend, and I feel it really helped me to sort some things out.I was a 'believer' in the ministry from 1980 to 1984.I was first witnessed to by a woman I worked with.We talked for a while, I really liked what she had to say, so I started attending fellowship.I REALLY loved it, so I decided to go WOW.My WOW year was 1982-1983 in Des Moines, Iowa.It was during that year that I first started to suspect that something was terribly wrong with the leadership in the ministry. Not only did I find discrepancies in the teachings, but I started to hear things like 'if you leave the ministry the devil will surely kill you' & 'don't question the leadership--just do what you're told',& 'we're the only REAL believers in the world', & many of the things that made me hate the catholic church I grew up with.More than anything, I noticed a lack of compassion in our leaders.Where had the so-called 'love of God' gone to? After my WOW year, little by little, I withdrew from the ministry, until I finally stopped attending twig fellowship altogether in 1984.While I have maintained a daily fellowship with God, I always had these nagging questions in the back of my mind:"Was the way REALLY God's ministry?Because if it was, I REALLY screwed up by leaving it!" Or "Was I just so brainwashed that they made me THINK it was God's ministry?"Even after all these years, I've pondered many questions like these.Well, thanks to Karl's book, I no longer ponder these questions.From what I'd heard(& now read in the book!)it sounds like I left just in the nick of time.I thank God I left the way international when I did.I am one of the lucky ones.I escaped with my sanity. I've read some of the reviews to Karl's book and some of you people sure sound angry.Well, the truth can somethimes rattle feathers, and I think maybe that's what this book has done for some of you.IT IS THE TRUTH about what REALLY went on 'behind the scenes'.And I NEVER got the sense that it was written with ANY malice.It really seemed like just a statement of facts.No blame.Just the opposite.Karl's now thinking for himself again & so am I.Thanks to the love of good people in my life, God, and now the information in this book, I am enjoying a new freedom & peace of mind!Thanks again Karl!THIS BOOK IS A MUST READ FOR ANYONE AFFILIATED WITH THE MINISTRY OR KNOWS SOMEONE AFFILIATED WITH THE WAY INTERNATIONAL!!Peg Medlock.
Margaret(Peg)Medlock aka eileens daughter <pegmedlock@netscape.net>
Laurel, Md USA - Monday, July 31, 2000 at 08:52:42 (EDT)

I was in "The Way" for a brief time. I was one that questioned things, and was told not to question the word of God. I pointed out that I was question what that man just told me was the word of God. It took me a year to figure out God would never mislead me. My friend, on the other hand, was a child in a family who belonged to "The Way". She was told how to believe and have faith, but never truly felt she had any relationship with God. So my response is to the people who have given Karl grief over writing his book. People go in search - some are taken for the ride. Either way, the are struggling to figure out what they were told. What was actually the 'word' of God vs the 'word' of leaders. Cut him some slack. Everything he wrote, I recall hearing my girlfriend confess time and again. In time the will find their way. We are all children of God.......He will never mislead us. God is unconditional, non-judging and always with us. Whether we believe it or not. We are all saved. How cruel to think God would be so vendictive as to single out those who found and believed in him vs those who found it difficult. I have a great relationship with God. I have had great miracles that have helped me to believe. Because I too was waiting for the burning bush. I asked God to help me feel his presence and he laid a miracle before me time and again. I walked around for years lying about my faith - until then. So, Karl, carry on! I wish you all the best in your future.
Believer
NM USA - Monday, July 31, 2000 at 00:42:11 (EDT)

I came to your web site with great reluctance. A friend sent me the URL, and out of respect for him I thought I should at least give it a look. I have never found any worth in wallowing in the past and self-pity, and I was certain there would be none here.

What I found in the reviews section is the same thing I've seen so many times before. People who allowed themselves to be manipulated venting their frustration at what they perceive to be the cause of their own failures.

Lest you think I speak from no knowledge, I got involved with the Way in 1969. My wife was one of the original residents of the first Way Home in Greenville, North Carolina, getting involved in 1968. We attended every single Rock of Ages, from the first one to the one in 1987. We were part of the Family Corp VIII, until we had to leave during our interim year due to the birth of our second daughter. Together, we knew almost every leader of the Way personally, certainly all the early leaders and every "top" leader.

We also were simple believers. We never held any "position" within the ministry, and we never "led" anything more than a simple Bible study fellowship in our own home.

I have nothing but thankfulness for what the Way Ministry made available to me. My eyes were opened to the greatness of God's love, grace and mercy and the resounding truth that God's Word is His Will. Nothing can ever take that knowledge from me, and it is the bedrock that has led me on a thirty-plus year quest to know the truth.

I have now taken three semesters of Greek and am majoring in Linquistics at the age of 52. Why? Because what Dr. Victor Paul Wierwille did was inspire me to search the scriptures daily whether such things were so.

Were the people involved in the Way fallible? Of course they were! Did they often make mistakes? Of course they did! Did they sometimes teach "false" doctrine? Of course they did! There is NO human ministry that "has the truth" or is infallible. If you are still looking for a man to follow, you are still deceived and do not live in the truth.

If you were misled by the Way, it's your own fault. You elevated men above God and worshipped THEM rather than the one True God. You have no one but yourself to blame for that, and all the words you spew to the contrary do nothing to heal your heart or reveal God's love to anyone.

I cannot for the life of me understand why people seem to have such a need for revenge that they fail to see that the object of their hatred or derision or ridicule (or whatever other noun you want to use to describe what you use to excuse your own thoughts and behavior) is really their OWN failure to act on the Word.

I often counseled people who were upset by what this leader said or what that leader told them to do or what some other leader had said was the truth of the Word. My advice was always the same; you owe allegiance to no man and certainly to no organization. You have no responsibility to obey anyone (when it comes to your walk with God) except God Himself. If you did otherwise, it was because you chose to, not because you had to. And who taught you that? The bedrock teaching of the Way was the Word, the Word and nothing but the Word. When leaders didn't follow that, why did YOU follow them?

Very early in my involvement with the ministry, a "Limb Coordinator" tried to tell me that I could no longer visit my (future) wife. He threatened me with the loss of my "twig" if I disobeyed him. I looked him square in the eye and said, "You cannot tell me how to live my life. You also cannot stop me from hosting Bible studies in my home. If the people that come want to stop coming because you tell them to, so be it. I owe you or the Way nothing. I owe God everything." He never bothered me again, because he knew I would not be intimidated.

He was just a man. When this happened to you, why did you not stand up for what you KNEW to be the truth? Why did you let fear destroy you? Why do you still let fear destroy you? If you are dwelling on "the Way did this" or "CES did that" or "these people are a cult" or "they don't teach the truth", then you are far from the truth yourself. How can you not heed the Word, when you know what it says? How can you still be caught up in the wiles of man, when the Word has revealed how the adversary works? When will you learn to obey God and not man?

My wife and I left the Way in 1988, after the revelations of the previous year. We left not because we hated the Way or resented what they had "done" to us or even because they were "evil" (as if any man is not!), but because we could not support an organization that taught what it was then teaching. We also left because the folks in our fellowship were taking sides, for or against the Way, and we failed to bring them back to the truth of the Word - it's GOD that matters, not any man!

With all the greatness and truth that was revealed to you in Timothy; STUDY to show yourself approved unto God, a WORKMAN that needeth not to be ashamed, RIGHTLY dividing the Word of Truth; why did it take someone ELSE to reveal what was wrong to you? Why do you blame other men for your own blindness?

Even now, I see the same criticism being leveled against CES. Have you learned nothing? Are you still as blind as the day you were born again? Men will ALWAYS fail and disappoint you. Men will ALWAYS deceive you and lead you from the truth. There is none righteous, NOT ONE! We are all condemned in SIN. We have all fallen short of the glory of God. It is GOD that saves us! My Lord! WHEN WILL YOU LEARN?

You may continue to wallow in your self pity and explain away your own failures by blaming Dr. Wierwille or Craig Martindale or Momentus or CES or whatever else is your object of derision du jour, but you will STILL be living a lie. Will you wake up before you die? God wants you to enjoy his company! God wants you to wallow in the luxury of His arms. God wants you enjoy life and savor every second of your existence because He LOVES you. WHEN will you finally wake up and realize His love? How many more organizations will you find to criticize before you realize that YOU are the problem?

My God, the sadness of my heart is overwhelming. I ache for the day of the gathering, when this world will pass away and I will no longer have to hear men whine and complain and point fingers at each other! How small and insignificant we are, and yet we pompously and self-righteously point fingers at others and criticize them for their humanness! How God must weep in heaven for the pettiness and vindictiveness of our thoughts! How he must long for the day when we will turn to him and forsake evil!

This book may well have been inspired by God. That is not for me to say. I haven't read it (nor will I), but it may be healing to others who do read it. I certainly pray that it serves a Godly purpose and not a human one. What I have written here has nothing to do with the book (how could it, I haven't read it!) and everything to do with the many comments I read in the reviews section.

I pray that God will heal the heart of every person who feels somehow wronged by the Way or any other ministry, and that he will reveal to them the weakness in their own hearts that led them astray from the truth. This world would be a better place if Christians would talk less, pray more and read the Word.
Paul Schmehl <baldeagl@airmail.net>
Richardson, TX USA - Thursday, July 20, 2000 at 23:04:29 (EDT)

A MUST READ !!!!
TWO THUMBS UP !!!!
Me and my wife were in TWI most of the 80's. We did not know anything that was going on behind the scenes of TWI. We were just good little leafs. We thought that this ministry was "IT". We have since found out that "IT" is not. We got this book and then the real fighting started. Hey !!!!! ...It is my turn...no you had it last!!!!...our kids had to take us to different rooms and sit us down. We could not put it down.
If you have had anything to do with TWI or know anybody that has...well this book really is a must read.
It set us free......I mean that ...we are so free to know the truth of what was going on behind the scenes.
To read what VPW was like and the original board of trustees....well let me say "We saw the Light"
I know NOW where LCM got it all from.
I hope you will read the history of TWI and let the Lord open your eyes to what was going on behind the scenes. It will shock you !!! but we needed to know in order to heal and move forward in our lives for the Lord. ENJOY!!!!!! love jeff n michele...get two copies!

Jeff Blackburn <jeffbwild@aol.com>
Grand Forks , ND USA - Tuesday, May 09, 2000 at 15:38:52 (EDT)

I recently read Karl’s book. No book has captured my attention in that manner since “Patriot Games” kept me up until 3 AM on a work night! But they differ in that Tom Clancy gave us a gripping work of fiction. Like Tom Clancy, Karl Kahler has an excellent grasp on his writing skills. Bravo, Karl! The book made me laugh, at times I wanted to cry. All too often, I found myself squirming, wanting to skip this or that part and just move on. What Karl relates in his book is all too familiar with I went through in my thirteen-plus years with The Way International. Like him, I’m out. But I’m out in more ways than that. I first got connected with TWI, and hung on, because of something my original twig coordinator promised me. She said, “It’s God’s Will for you to be straight, heterosexual, (so-called) normal.” I took that bait hook, line and sinker. That, after all, was the one thing I wanted, craved, even prayed for since I became aware of my sexual orientation. I mean, these people “spoke in tongues,” so they had to have something on the ball, right? So in late 1978 I took PFAL. And I waited on God to change those things I could not. In the mid 1980’s, I moved back to Chicago as a WOW vet (Long Island, NY, 82-83) and a 1983 graduate of the advanced class, (Rome City) and one thing I undertook was to teach myself to read and write New Testament Greek. Then I tore into Romans chapter 1 like there was no tomorrow. I needed to find out where I went wrong, or was going wrong. If I could learn how an “abominable” sexual orientation happened, perhaps I could “change” myself, just like my first twig coordinator said God would do for me, but so far, hadn’t. Look, I spoke in tongues, I prophesied, I ministered to people, I researched the bible and even taught the occasional twig from the fruits of that research. Where was God, I had to ask, while I’m sitting here pretending to be straight, like the bible says I’m supposed to be? Karl had a problem with Judges. Mine was with Romans. Romans 1 details the steps on how someone “becomes” a homosexual. Again and again, I went over it, trying to find the link, the method on how I “became” this way. Nothing fit, so my assumption, based on what Dr. W and his folks had taught me, was that it must be me! I mean, the Word can’t be wrong, can it? Romans states that you are an adult, capable of making your own decisions, with a working, intimate knowledge by sustained effort (“gnosko”) of God, with a history of worshipping and honoring God as a faithful adult follower. (I’m nutshelling this, you work it out for yourself if you don’t believe me.) Then, after these things, you decide “hey, this ain’t for me, I’m chasing after idols.” God then “permits” you to be overtaken with “homosexual spirits” (Dr.’s interpretation) to “do those things which are not convenient.” I used all the proper tools of biblical interpretation: First usage, context, to whom it is addressed, everything. (Thank you, Walter Cummins.) Again, work it out for yourself. You’ve got the time. You have until the gathering, right? I became aware of my sexual orientation before I had a pubic hair I could call my own, long before the time-frame detailed so perfectly in Romans 1. So again, God, what happened? Where were you? My inner conflict over this got to the point where I considered suicide. Not just considered, gentle reader. I know what the business end of a .357 magnum tastes like. And since I’m here to tell you about it, here’s what happened. I put down the revolver and picked up my award-winning Bullinger Companion Bible, the hardcover version, and punched it so hard, it slammed against the far wall and slid in a flurry of onion-skin pages to the floor. The binding is now held together with the miracle of duct tape, and the knuckle marks are still there. I keep it around for old time’s sake, and besides, it was expensive. As were the other tools I used in my research of Romans 1: Young’s Concordance, George Ricker Berry’s Interlinear Greek-English New Testament, a copy of the Greek-English Septuagint, and the above mentioned Companion Bible. I finally realized this: You couldn’t make me fit the steps in Romans with a one-megaton tipped Tomahawk Cruise Missile coming in at rooftop level. And I had to ask, why can’t the same God who brought order to a chaotic universe in six days make me into a heterosexual after THIRTEEN YEARS? What point was there in believing ANYTHING in the bible anymore? As Karl states on page 170 of his book, “According to generations of studies, one in six women have homosexual inclinations, and one in ten men.” To that I would add that many scientific studies to date have indicated that the origins of homosexuality are in the biological and/or genetic area. (If you are reading this, then you have web access. You can research this topic for yourself.) When I wrote to Karl telling him of these things, I was surprised by his reply. Many ex-Wayfers still “hate fags.” (Please don’t hand me that line, “love the sinner, hate the sin.” It’s a bunch of crap.) I anticipated that kind of response. Karl, however, was very positive and encouraging with me, telling me that it sounds like I “salvaged 100%” of my sanity from my ordeal with the Way. Thank you Karl. I would like to think so! For the record, I am, as stated at the beginning, “out” in every way. The Pride Colors are on the front and rear of my car. I am “out” to my family. I am “out” to my coworkers. I am “out” to my friends. When I look in the mirror, I see wrinkles developing here & there, and my hair is becoming salt-&-pepper. (I’m a Vietnam-era veteran, so you guess my age range.) But I like who I see in the mirror. I really do. And thanks to Karl, I now see there are others who have found the “Way” out! Daryl J. Lamkey Berwyn, Illinois
Daryl Lamkey <djl1347@compuserve.com>
Berwyn, IL USA - Wednesday, May 03, 2000 at 22:12:02 (EDT)

I found Karl's book to be the most factually accurate account of the history of The Way that I have ever seen. Thus it provides a good historical service as well as gives some perspective on the ministry's demise. But since Karl now rejects the integrity of the Scripture, in my opinion he has rendered himself incapable of conveying any valid reason for anyone ever finding anything of lasting value in The Way. As such, I cannot really recommend it to anyone who I would be attempting to help to responsibly exit The Way. Reading his book would leave them little alternative to feeling utterly stripped, degraded and revaged by their experience.

To me, Karl's rejection of Christianity highlights the tragedy that is TWI--good people like Karl attracted to the Bible and Christianity through their efforts, only to be left shipwrecked by the howling winds of deceit and hypocrisy.

Despite all the horrid excesses of TWI, its lasting value lies in the way it oriented us to the integrity and precision of the written Word. How tragic that Karl never got touched by the only thing of real lasting value, and now presumes to be the resident expert (along with Juedes the Orthodox) on what The Way was "really like." To me, Karl's book just becomes an extention of the problem, and has only a disillusioned atheism to offer as a "solution."

Having said this, I should add that I admire his spunk and his courage, and will pray that he doesn't give up on God, Jesus Christ and the Bible because he got an up close and personal look at some very poor representatives of the same. I hope that his drive for truth will lead him to rediscover the God of goodness and truth, who suffers all manner of fools to represent Him and His son. The fact that we who try to represent Him so often fail only proves that His Word is true--that we all fall short of the glory of God, and carry a perverseness of nature that is not assuaged by religious activities and devotion. In fact, the practice of religion seems to exacerbate every evil tendency in the heart of man. We ought not to be surprised. His Word clearly forecasts this.


Mark Graeser <graesermrk@aol.com>
Indianapolis, IN USA - Saturday, April 29, 2000 at 01:22:20 (EDT)

Just a quick amendment to my review below. Don't bother going to the CES message board for information on Karl's excellent book, the Momentus heresy, or anything else really after 4/27/00. In another step toward becoming the new Way International, CES has decided to drop the open-forum format of its message board, delete all the current postings (at least those that reveal problems with its doctrines and practices, if not everything) and run in the future only a censored version, where they can control what information appears. I just discovered this on one of my periodic checks to see what was posted. Sadly, I probably won't be going back, as the only information of value seemed to be from those refuting CES's unscriptural practices and doctrines from the Word. I guess it was inevitable given the long downward tumble of CES since its beginnings more than a decade ago, from an open, helpful ministry seeking the truths of the Word and to help people find those truths to one that is now mainly concerned with defending its many scripturally indefensible doctrines (arising from the vain imaginations of man), with slandering those who disagree (marking them as "disgruntled," etc., and essentially ignoring them in its own version of the Way's mark and avoid), and with maintaining control over its followers and all information that it can about it. And yet, I must admit that I'm sorely disappointed at this turn of events, as even with all the evidence to the contrary, I guess I'd always hoped that something would turn the leaders of CES around and reopen their hearts to the truth again. I guess, as it was in the case of the Way, that's a forlorn hope. (Especially as the last new posting on the board is one from Mark Grasser shifting the blame for their actions from themselves to those posters who were merely following the admonishions of scripture by calling them to task for what they saw as unscriptural teachings and actions. It's just sad.) Another amendment: I didn't mean to paint all ex-Way ministries with the same brush--just to caution you that you must continually test their teachings and practices--and especially the practices of their leaders--against God's Word. I've encountered several ministries of former Way followers and even leaders that are truly serving the body of Christ as true servants and followers of Jesus Christ. Among them (those that readily come to mind) are Richie's Temple's ministry (which publishes Unity of the Spirit) in North Carolina, Chuck LaMatina's [sp?] Grace Ministry in Chicago, and Dale Sides' Liberating Ministries for Christ in Virginia. (Although I do disagree with some of Dale's doctrines and that he once endorsed Momentus, although he doesn't seem to push it. On the other hand, many of his teachings helped my wife and I recover from the horrors of Momentus, so I'll always owe him that.) Speaking the Truth Ministries in Kentucky is another. And although it's not actually an ex-Way ministry, it does have many ex-Way followers, so I'd also include Anthony Buzzard's Restoration Fellowship in Atlanta. (Although, again, I don't agree with all their doctrines--but most are far more scriptural than much of what CES, for example, now teaches.) I'm sure there are others of which I'm unaware, too. Anyway, I just felt the need to make those amendments to my comments within my earlier review of Karl's great book. I'll let this space go back now to those commenting on The Cult That Snapped (rather than The Cult that Snatched the Truth From Its Message Board).
W.A. Barton
Indianapolis, IN USA - Tuesday, April 25, 2000 at 19:14:54 (EDT)

I first learned of Karl's book from a thread on the CES message board, which I still occasionally check in on, although I've not been affiliated with CES for several years now. (For those unaware, CES stands for Christian Educational Services, a ministry founded by ex-Way leaders John Lynn, Mark Grasser, and John Schoenheit.) I ordered it immediately, as so few resources are available that expose the truth of what went on in the Way. I started reading it as soon as I got it and finished it in only a few days (miraculous considering how little spare time my own job with a publishing company leaves me.) I was not disappointed in the least.


Karl's book provides an excellent portrait of the behind-the-scenes goings on of what proved to be one of the most deceptive cults around, not only for me but for so many others. I first got into the Way in late 1972, taking PFAL in early '73. I served as a WOW (family coordinator for my team) during the 1973-74 year, as a twig leader in Indianapolis the following year, and as area rover (branch leader) for East Central Indiana and branch leader for West Indianapolis in following years, until conditions that I was experiencing and observing made it impossible for me to continue to act in a leadership position in the Way. (That was in late '77--when the Way began replacing branch leaders with Corps grads and the only alternative was to enter the Corps, somthing that I knew by then was not anything that I wanted to do nor that God wanted for me.) I continued with the Way for the next several years, until just a while before V.P. Weirwille died, mainly because I'd been convinced by Way propaganda that there was no place else to go to find God--even though I was seeing too much in the Way that I could no longer reconcile with God's Word: the increasing control the leaders were exerting over us, the book burnings (in "honor" of Uncle Harry), and so on.


Karl's book really illuminates for me much of what occurred in the Way after I left--filling in a lot of the other information I heard second-hand from other ex-Way believers. It also filled in a lot of information on things that went on in the Way before I got involved--things I'd heard only rumors about, mainly from the Way's perspective, such as the Heefner/Doup affair. (The way we were told, the two were planning to leave the Way "illegally," but a twig leader who was "right on" called Way Hq. to fill them in, only to be told that Dr. Weirwille was already on a plane out there, having "learned from God by revelation" of the whole "plot.") Karl's description of the event from first-hand accounts is quite revealing. I'd also wondered whatever happened to Peter Wade, whose booklets were still being sold by the Way at the time I got involved. Karl tells us through interviews with Dr. Wade himself.


Much of the sexual undertones of the Way were still pretty much hidden during the days I was involved with it, although I often caught hints of something untoward lying just below the surface. It wasn't until several years after I'd left the Way and hooked up with CES that I learned the extent of the sexual corruption that lay at the heart of the Way. Karl's book paints an even more vivid picture of that aspect of the Way than I'd learned through CES (which now, sadly, tries to downplay much of what was wrong with the Way in an effort to gain more followers from among the ranks of ex-Way believers who still think of the Way as a godly ministry).


I highly recommend Karl's book to anyone who's ever been associated with the Way or knows anyone who was (or still is)--especially if you're not afraid of hearing the truth, no matter how ugly it may be. I also recommend that, as you read of the corruption of the Way, you apply what you learn from Karl's book to any of the ex-Way splinter groups with which you may currently be involved, as I was with CES. As the Word tells us, if the root is evil, the fruit also is bitter. Too many of the ex-Way groups are still rooted in the Way's errors, especially those who still pay tribute to the Way and to V.P. Weirwille. Unfortunately, I had to find that out the hard way with CES. Even though they recanted of many of the Way's erroneous doctrines, CES continued to embrace others--and began to add on heresies even the Way would never have considered. Prime among these are its acceptance of the charismatic extremist's concept of "personal prophecy," which CES picked up from Christian International and its dominionist, "restored" apostles and prophets teachings. Just as CI uses its directive "personal prophecy" as a form of control over its followers, so has CES adopted the practice, despite its complete lack of scriptural support. Similarly, CES began promoting the even more unscriptural--and totally devlish--mind-control training Momentus, which promotes the same kind of abusive confrontational techniques that the Way adopted in its later years (thankfully, mainly after I left). Although the upcry against the abuses of Momentus finally persuaded CES to stop promoting it openly as a ministry, John Lynn especially remains one of its most fanatic promoters personally. He refuses even to acknowledge the many, many people who were hurt mentally, emotionally, and spiritually by Momentus--most of whom were led to it by his own testimony. In so doing, sadly, he forfits any claim to being an honest leader of God's people, just as much as did V.P. Weirwille and other Way leaders for their abuses. And what's really sad is that I almost let myself be tricked again by CES, just as I was by the Way--at least, just as in the case of the Way, until the abuses became too overwhelming to ignore any longer. (For more information about the problems with Momentus and with CES, check out my own and others' testimonies on John Jeudes' Web site. The URL appears in another review on this Web site, and I think that you can link to it from WayDale's site, too. The CES message board, if you have access to that, also has a couple threads about Momentus, where a number of individuals discuss its problems and evils, as well as several threads on the problems with "personal prophecy." Most are in the Ask CES section of the message board.)


Karl's book is a valuable document, not only for the inside information that it provides about the Way, but also for the lessons it offers to those who, in an effort to find what they thought they once had in the Way (a "Way-lite" perhaps) may be attracted to any of the several ex-Way ministries that have proliferated in recent years. (That's not to say that they're all bad, but you need to keep sharp and exercise spiritual discernment at all times. Ask questions, seek answers, and compare everything that they teach and practice against our only standard for truth, God's Word. And if you start getting stonewalled or ignored or rebuked for asking tough questions, beware. You may be getting into another Way--especially if that ministry's promoting something as unscriptural as Momentus or "personal prophecy." Don't think it could ever get that bad? Did you think that back when you were in the Way?) I commend Karl Kahler and all those who had the courage to speak out about their experiences in the Way. If you haven't read his book yet, I urge you to do so at your earliest opportunity. At the verly least, it'll open your eyes to a lot of what went on in the Way.

W.A. Barton
Indianapolis, IN USA - Monday, February 28, 2000 at 13:12:17 (EST)


It was uncomfortable for me to revisit the deception and the oppression of my past that Karl has so masterfully related in his book. Much of the sting from the past (my wife and I left TWI 15 years ago) had been forgotten, and our rehabilitation process was mostly complete through looking to Jesus Christ as the head of the church and making the Holy Spirit the source of truth in our perceptions of how to live as christians. It was a sobering experience to recall all oof the ploys and manipulation that I used to have foisted upon me on a daily basis. The names in his book (except one) were all different from mine, BUT, the villans all had the same methods of operation. My old friend Tom sent me the book through Karl, and for that, I am greatful. I had read so many books concerning cults, new-age thinking, and the like that I felt like I couldn't benefit from still another journey through more of the same. Karl, however, has put a human face on his book, and you can feel what he's written, rather than just gather facts and data for future reference. I experienced the same doubts and confusion that he describes, and with God's help, I have gotten over much of the channeling and subtle brain-washing that was my entire life just a few years ago. From my own 15 years of trying to wash out my own head from the shackles of my experiences with The Way, I feel that the only way to get completely free from the abuses you may have been suffering is to turn 180 degrees in the direction of God and his Son and allow the Holy Spirit to bring you to the place where you are living in a relationship with them and without the 'the benefits' of intermediate gods. The Way was an idol, and God's spin on idols is they must be pulled down and destroyed. Don't march on New Knoxville with vengance....march on your own life with a vengance for the lies you learned. Your captivity was spiritual and mental, and your deliverance will be the same. The monster that has fettered you is the system of beliefs you were given. Turn against THAT monster, and don't be afraid to let the Holy Spirit inspire your thinking as you climb out of the mire that The Way created in your life. If you seek God through the system he set up (Christ as Lord....Holy Spirit as "the spirit of truth")in an individual relationship with them, then you won't get led astray by those flashy wolves again. I was listening to a TV evangelist today and she made a poignant statement. "Rules without relationships lead to rebellion". I thought that fits what we all came out of. We mostly didn't know the difference between God and whatever our branch leader said, and so the relationship part was impeded right there. God and his Son are the ones we need to have the relationship with. When I got those things straight, then the reality of God in my life began to bloom like never before.
John Booth <yerdua777@cowtown.net>
Mesquite, tx USA - Wednesday, February 23, 2000 at 20:41:51 (EST)

The cult that snapped is a "must read" for all former, current, and prospective members of twi. This well researched and informative overview of twi exposes the corruption, deceit, and pure evil that has so dramatically infected the lives of so many. It not only presents an overview of the history and current status of the "flim flam" organization but also the personal journey of the author from his first twig to his corps graduation.

I tip my hat to Karl for his courage in not only surviving the insidious ordeal of his extensive participation in this "groupthink" cult, but also the assertive and humorous style in which he crafts together this expose. The cult that snapped ignites the fires of indivuality, expression, and imagination...all the things that twi labors to extinguish. I can't wait for the movie version.
Groucho Marx jr
Houston, Tx USA - Saturday, February 19, 2000 at 19:13:06 (EST)

If you ever belonged to TWI and never fully understood what was happening or if you currently belong to TWI and aren't sure what is happening..... "The Cult that Snapped" is the book you need to read. Most of us were, and are now, so busy trying to avoid the tree falling in our path we had/have no time to view the Forest that is TWI. Karl shows the entire TWI forest its hills, and valleys, its rocks and clearings, its old and new growth. Consider it an all pupose handbook for telling fact from Fiction.
Maureen Dilley <mkd@gci.net>
Anchorage, ak USA - Wednesday, February 16, 2000 at 00:27:40 (EST)

If you knew even a fraction of what Karl Kahler has reported in his excellent new book, "The Cult That Snapped", would you have remained in the Way International, regardless?

Before you answer, try to remember the faces of all the many people you knew and loved, whom you would have never met outside the Way. Now try to remember the elation and enlightenment you felt, having the Scriptures opened to you in a such dynamic fashion that you had never heard the like in Church, or anywhere else, ever before.

Whether the words of the Way prophets always, or even usually, correctly handled those Scriptures, is of course, an entirely different matter. Many of us who stayed, for a month, a year, or a decade and more did see errors - in doctrine, in structure, and in leadership. Others saw nothing perhaps, except a slightly imperfect good.

But we all stayed because we believed in the elemental purity of the cause, and in the faithfulness of the many great people who espoused it with us. Most could understand how certain individuals may have seemed unfit for the responsibilities they held. And we all knew that love and forgiveness were both our inheritance and our duty.

We surely could perceive that no human organization could be perfect, in all of its policies and endeavors. We thought instead that we, the true and faithful could simply deflect, accept, and, where possible, change the inconsistencies and anomalies we couldn't ignore around us.

That is, we could do so if the basis, the mission, the very foundations of the Way were spawned of pure intent and righteousness. Kahler's "The Cult That Snapped" has put the lie to that most unfortunate delusion, once and for all.

In an assiduously researched and documented narrative, Kahler guides us through a tour of first light to final darkness, naming names that would most assuredly prefer not to be named, uncovering secrets that may well have perished into unverifiable myth.

"The Cult That Snapped" is a work of both courage and humor, blistering disclosure and warm, funny personal tales. Few who have ever been, or now are, involved in the Way would find it anything but fascinating. Few who have never even heard of the Way could scarcely imagine the eventful journey to the conclusion this book reaches.

It is this: The Way, not in its representation by the thousands of faithful and loving believers who gathered to its clarion call, but in its inception, first stewarded by one man, and then a handful of secretive, power hungry and, quite possibly truly mad top leaders, was, and is, a fraud.

And so the Way Tree, that great mystical symbol of the entire Way organization was not born of pure seed, rooted in the crystal waters of truth. The Way Tree was planted with the corrupt seeds of greed and lust, and its roots began to rot immediately.

Even now, as one who spent so many years in the Way, I find it hard to believe. But I humbly suggest that you, my fellow laborer, my friend, disbelieve it at your peril. That any of us were successfully pruned from the evil vine says nothing at all about the residual worth of the Way, but everything about the wisdom and the grace of God. Turning the pages of "The Cult That Snapped" may very well remind you of some of those things that you, like me, may have long forgotten.

May God bless you.

Tom McMahon

ex-Way Corps 9


Tom McMahon <temcm@usa.net>
USA - Sunday, February 06, 2000 at 14:19:12 (EST)

Karl's book is reader friendly. It is laid out simply with a respect of the truth and for its readers. As a fellow former member of the 14th Way Corps I can say that I found Karl's laying out of the events of what happened those years to be accurate and thought provoking. I found the book to be clear concise, and very readable. I recommend it to any person who was involved with the Way and wondered what happened..Bravo Karl!
Jacqueline Howley <jacquelinehowley@hotmail.com>
Mechanicsburg, OH USA - Tuesday, January 25, 2000 at 10:45:49 (EST)

I must admit that the book has opened my eyes to a lot of "stuff".

Before I begin into my comments, this is my background in a nutshell. I got into the Word in 1972, but was flaky until 1976. In 1976 I went WOW and I dedicated my life to The Way International ("TWI") for the next nine years until V.P. Wierwille died. I was the perfect believer, did everything I was told with no question, but I wanted to do it because I thought I was doing everything for God. After V.P. Wierwille died, I was still in shock for many years, never talked about it to anyone, that I really missed him as the Father in the Word. I supposed I worshipped V.P. Wierwille but did not know it at the time.

I stayed in TWI till 1995, when my husband and I got marked and avoided. In a way, it was a long time coming and I was relieved when they forced us to leave. I know that God has protected me throughout my 23 years of TWI. I was a simple minded believer. I had no idea what was going on in the top echelon (leadership) and I wanted to be very positive about everything in TWI.

Since leaving TWI, I have learned many things especially from reading your book. That V.P. Wierwille led two separate lives, and Don Wierwille, Howard Allen and especially L. Craig Martindale. One we know as their public life and their other life as their personal life which at the time I never knew. I will never call Dr. Wierwille by that name again since learning that he never earned a doctorate degree from an accredited school.

I noticed in your book that you kept repeating that you did not believe since you were a child. Then after you took the PFAL class and had other events that you finally believed for six years or so. For me, since I was raised in a church setting, I already believed in God. After I got out of TWI, my thinking was I still believe in God irregardless of my years in TWI. I still believe in God. I do not believe in groupthink, like you mentioned in your book. I do believe that everyone can think for themselves and make decisions too without someone telling them what to do. Since leaving TWI, God has become more of a reality in my life and I don't have to live in fear thinking I am going to be reproved for everything that I do.

All in all, I "thoroughly" enjoyed reading your book. I have now read your book three times. I found your book to be very informative and had a lot of heart in it. Thank you for sharing your life and also for letting me see the "insider stuff" that the non-leader believers were never privileged to see. When I was in TWI, I never thought of it as a cult, but I do now.


Susan Stiles <SStiles12@aol.com>
Vienna, VA USA - Wednesday, January 19, 2000 at 03:16:09 (EST)

Karl, Karl, you naughty boy! Exposing all the dirty laundry of the inner sanctum like that!

I thoroughly (or should that be "throughly") enjoyed the book. It helped me sort out some stuff that I had long suspected. For years after leaving The Way, I considered it "cult-light" (like "Bud-Light"), i.e. I still didn't put it quite in the same category of "other cults" I had read about. But after reading your book, I realize there was nothing "light" about it at all.

Thank you for your hard work in putting together a book that is both informative and entertaining.
Keith Byler, D.O. <knb53@usa.net> Edwardsville, IL USA - Friday, January 07, 2000 at 02:21:19 (EST)

Definitely a great book dealing with life inside The Way. My whole family was involved with The Way from 1982-1987, and we were turned on by the love of God of the many great Christian believers and the truth of the Bible that was taught. Sadly the decisions made by the founder and the leadership put the organization on the path to destruction. But God certainly did work through his people as he does with them no matter what organization they claim as long as they are members of the only one that counts( the body of Christ.)

Thanks for your effort of fairness in reporting- giving all parties involved a chance to respond. Your work cleared up many questions I had in regards to The Way's demise. I suspect many former followers may struggle with issues that The Way promoted. I found a great book on dealing with responsibility in the sexual area called The War Within by Robert Daniels.

I am not so sure that you can easily dismiss all that Dr. Weirwille taught as quackery. Yes he did steal tons of material from other people, and his doctorate may have not been from a major college. But he did open the bible to many, and encouraged it's examination. His sins God will deal with, and thankfully there are some including yourself who are spiritually aware to see the wrong teaching and bondage that The Way is promoting.

But to all those who still hurt from wrongs by The Way and it's people- don't give up on believing in God and His son Jesus Christ! Oh and I wanted to help with the Judges- Joshua thing. Sometimes Judah is given credit for things accomplished by Caleb and or his other descendants commonly referred to as the tribe of Judah. Judah was not around in Caleb's time as he should have perished some time earlier- possibly shortly before or after Joseph his brother- about 100 years before Caleb would have been born. And the trinity does not exist. Thanks for the great book. God bless.
John Bowman <esterb@camalott.com>
Abilene, TX USA - Sunday, December 26, 1999 at 03:58:53 (EST)

The night before I met WOW Ambassadors in 1982, I lay in my bed wondering how I would find the strenth to get up the next morning.I was 24 years old. My life was a hopeless mess after years of drug and alcohol abuse. I was back at my mothers house. Over the years, I had kept myself going by telling myself, after each failure, that if I failed again, I could always kill myself. This gave me the space I needed to try again. But it wasn't working this time.

So, I lay in my bed wondering how I was going to find the strenth to go on. That's when I finally went to God. I prayed - fervently - because my only alternative was death. I told God that if he would help me live, I would do things His way. Then I went to sleep.

The next day I got up and went to work. I was waitressing at a Greek restaurant and four WOWs came and sat at my table. It didn't take them long to start witnessing to me. I went to twig, I took the class, I went WOW and I entered the Way Corps - 17th. I had hope and I had a reason to live.

God, by way of The Way International, had saved my life. Given my leanings which were very anti-establishment, I don't think I could have been reached any other way. The only thing I hadn't read at this point was the Bible. I had read any number of philosiphers and every author I could find looking for answers. For all its faults The Way pointed me in the right direction.

The thing that struck me most in Karl's book was the fact that people were seeing miracles "on the field", but when they got in residence (Corps), the miracles stopped. I can relate to this. It was in the Corps that I lost my simple believing and became intellectually informed. The Corps was the death of miracles for me. This shows me that God was at work in His people until His people replaced Him with Way Theology and Ministry legalism. I'm sorry this happened and I left the Corps because it was happening to me.

With that bit of background, I want to say the following: Although I knew very little about all the "things" expounded upon in Karl's book, I am not surprised. I could have known then, but didn't want to. In fact, it was only months ago that I became fully informed This too I attribute to God's protection. Had I found out sooner, I think I would have taken the road to unbelief along with Karl and many others. I'm thankful that didn't happen, because The Way Ministry is not God and never has been. The failures of Ministry leadership are not God's failures. God is still faithful. Christ still died for us and He is still seated at the Fathers right hand. I exhort you then not to forget the miracles and God's many blessings in the face of your disappoint with The Way and its leaders.

Karl's book is illuminating. I'm glad I read it. So many things I just didn't know. It has helped get to the place where I know I will never put an organization before God. Because, in the end, we all answer to God. There is only one intercessor between any one person and God and that is Jesus Christ.

In closing I will say that each of us made our own decisions in The Way as - clearly - did Karl. I never took the time to dig into the roots of the Ministry and I did swallow their teachings whole without spending the necessary time with my own Bible. Don't blame God for the failures of men and the weakness of our own decisions. I still believe. "I'll see you there or in the air"
Karen
VT USA - Thursday, December 23, 1999 at 09:53:38 (EST)

Karl's book was a good reporter's eye view on events leading to how the mighty have fallen from grace--and the many casualties they nearly brought down with them. For one who reads scripture, there was not much in there that surprised me. When scripture or people are used deceitfully, the outcome is usually the same. But I couldn't have recalled and written s report as well as Karl. Thanks for your hard work.
-C. Lott

C. Lott <clott84605@aol.com>
Springfield, La USA - Wednesday, December 08, 1999 at 11:16:56 (EST)

As a former follower (4th corps) I found the book excellent. The book covers alot of detail and Karl provides reliable sources (people who I know would know). I could'nt put it down. I am telling all those who I know who are ex-way to get your book.
John Clay <clay.j@worldnet.att.net>
USA - Tuesday, December 07, 1999 at 08:57:14 (EST)

If anyone has questions regarding The Way International, Karl Kahler's book is a great place to get some, if not many, answers. This book provides its reader with a very well documented base of historical knowledge. It also lays out a timeline on which the reader can follow the beginnings of this ministry from its grass roots through its rise to a multi-million dollar organization. The facts revealed about the founder of The Way International, Victor Paul Wierwille, may at times be enough to surprise even those who feel they are well educated on the subject. One gets to see a glimpse of the Way's "Father in the Word" from his early life, education, professional endeavors and ultimately his death that will certainly add depth of understanding to a knowledge of the Way on the whole. Not excluded from these observations are also the other two original Board of Trustees and several past leaders, as well as current leadership of The Way International. Historical events are also critically expounded upon with that same rigorous documentation of facts. Incidents that were kept from the average follower of the Way are clearly revealed in this book, eliminating many of the troubling questions of how The Way International got to be exactly where and what it is today. The Way International, claiming to be in part a biblical research ministry, is put into proper light by Mr. Kahler's sections on several doctrinal concepts; the first of which is, where did the doctrines originate from? And secondly, were they really ever sound in their foundations? Readers will appreciate the effort put forth to honestly address these issues via incidents and teachings of The Way International itself through the years, as well as research done by Mr. Kahler and other individuals. Mr. Kahler's personal recruitment into The Way International is very revealing in regards to the specific techniques used by followers of The Way during "outreach" for the ministry. Quotes from cult research and experts lend credibility to the fact that what the reader is hearing about is not just another neighborhood Bible Fellowship, but in all actuality a cult that is well trained in it's recruitment strategies. Certainly most people involved with The Way International for any length of time will, while perhaps not always agreeing with the author, be able to relate to at least some of his personal experiences. The responses an ex-follower has may run an entire range of emotions, but surely there will be a time while reading that one pauses to acknowledge a kindred spirit in these writings. We will at times see our own lives reflected in Mr. Kahler's honesty. It may be that the most poignant statement in the entire book is the one at the end that sits honestly before our faces (and perhaps in our hearts) that resoundingly states: "I Don't Believe".
Scarlette Belle <scarlettebelle@hotmail.com>
USA - Sunday, December 05, 1999 at 22:38:53 (EST)

Karl,
I read your book in one sitting - I literally couldn't put it down.
Since I am one of the older members of TWI I found the early years, as you described them, to be very accurate.

I am looking forward to another book. Hurry up and write it!! Can't wait to read another one by you.

Edna Stadler
Edi Stadler <edi.stadler@eudoramail.com>
Berryton, KS USA - Wednesday, December 01, 1999 at 22:23:18 (EST)

I read the book cover to cover. I cannot begin to express how glad I am to have read what you have to say. You became involved in the Way Ministry at a time that gave you a sort of front row seat to some of the most significant turning points. I appreciate your honesty about yourself and your perceptions of everything from the first Twig to your last contact.

Your documentation was more exhaustive than anything else I've read about the ministry, and I respected the fact that you interviewed and/or quoted a wide variety of people. And you don't particularly have a bone to pick. It's more of an account than an accusation. More than anything, though, I was impressed by the fact that you don't make yourself out to be a victim, and you assume responsibility for your actions.


Susan <stomlins@scican.net>
USA - Monday, November 08, 1999 at 00:04:01 (EST)

Rose and I enjoyed your book very much and are doing our best to promote it amongst our acquaintances. It is liberating and a hoot to read. I looked forward to my time spent with it and will reread it when my friend is done. Hopefully we can help you sell a few more copies.

In 1979, I got into the Way for the spiritual aspect of it and to firm up my Christian roots after being involved in the occult for many years. So I was sort of going from the fire to the frying pan. I must say The Way helped me get out of the occult and I saw many real miracles (including healings, translocations, revelation, etc etc) However these all stopped when I came in residence (with a few exceptions). I believe God is mighty in using many situations and to train and teach in his "University of Life". The Way after the first year or so became a box for God and a prison for a lot of believers and non-believers as well.

Great job, very liberating to read.

Pete


Pete Lounsbury <peterose@magpage.com>
USA - Saturday, October 30, 1999 at 18:57:39 (EDT)

Excellent! I love it! A must read for anyone who thinks they may be in a cult, especially anyone involved in TWI - past, present and future. Karl, you have learned the truth and the truth has set you free from the grip of The Way International, Inc! The book is a well-researched examination, from top to bottom, of an organization that became blinded to the love of Christ by darkness of money and power. The book is well written, very engaging and completely entertaining. Thanks!
CT <ctomlins@scican.net>
IN USA - Wednesday, October 27, 1999 at 00:02:17 (EDT)

I very much enjoyed your manuscript. Well, I enjoyed the interviews and commentary and all the sex, anyway. The scripture, essential as it may be here, I can do without, thank you. I was pretty sure the heavyset, middle-aged guy next to me on the plane was reading the juicy bits over my shoulder, but I didn't look to confirm for fear of embarrassing him. You know you've produced something interesting, Karl, when two grown men are trying to read one copy of it at the same time. Congratulations!
Scott Thompson <sthompson5@home.com>
San Clemente, CA USA - Friday, October 08, 1999 at 18:51:49 (EDT)

I read Karl's book in ONE SITTING. I couldn't put it down.

Let me first give you a little background: I entered TWI twenty years ago as a naive babe. I lived with Way Corps immediately, I took every class that was available--and there were many. I went to every function that existed in my area, a large outreach city --and there were many. I was totally enmeshed in TWI with little outside contact.

Four and a half years ago I left TWI, became M&A. My husband remained in. My children came with me but visited their father often, and attended Way functions and classes frequently.

Although I was 'out' four years ago, my brain remained 'in' until recently. Until I read Karl's book.

Karl obtain my email address from a mutual friend in May. He began writing me daily. We discussed many deep subjects pertaining to TWI. I was of the opinion that I might need years of therapy to undo the damage that TWI did--and to get my thinking on the right track. It took only a few short weeks as I wrote to Karl, and then read his book.

I have read many of the suggested cult-related books (Combatting Cult Mind Control, Cults In Our Midst, Recovery From Abusive Groups, etc.). Karl's book is the first from an insider's point of view. While the other books were very helpful, Karl's book zoomed in on the very things that I wondered about. It is a must-read for anyone who has ever had ANYTHING to do with TWI.

"The Cult That Snapped" is a very well written, informative book. It will open the eyes of anyone who is "sitting on the fence," not only physically, but mentally as well.

Much of Karl's heart and life in the Way lies open for us to examine. He bares his soul. I have often wondered why he so honestly shares such intimate details with a group of strangers. I don't know. Maybe Karl can answer that question.

I have also wondered why Karl spent many, many hours detailing life in TWI. Why not just walk away? I don't have the answer to that question either. I will tell you this, I am very thankful that he didn't walk away and that he did spend a large portion of his life recording his experiences.

His books clarified many questions I had, or suspicions, if you will. There were a lot of incidents that I experienced, which I thought were isolated to just myself (the come-ons by branch and limb coords, for example). The "lockbox" was a very effective tool that the ministry used to keep some very devilish practices alive. Karl blows the lid off the lockbox.

I think I have seen some negative comments regarding Karl's attempt to capitalize on ex-wayfers by pushing this book on them. You would know how ridiculous that is if you knew how much prompting, begging, and cajoling it took for some of us to get him to agree to make it available. FINALLY he's made it available, and I am very grateful for that. It will change and help heal many lives, as it did mine.

As I said, I read the book at a time my brain was still "in" TWI. It pulled my brain out. I read it while I was still allowing my children to attend Way functions with their dad because I thought TWI was harmless to them. The dangers of TWI became very clear to me--and I got a court order to keep them out of their functions.

Don't hesitate to read this book. I think Karl will send it to you for the cost of printing and postage. And yet the book is priceless.

I was considering an inpatient stay at Wellspring in Ohio, a facility that caters to ex-cult members. It is no longer necessary. When I think of how much money I have saved on therapy for myself, and my children, I am tempted to send Karl thousands of dollars!

Karl, have I said "thank you" enough? I, and my children, are forever in your debt.

Looking forward to more books authored by you (Coping After The Cult?, The Way II?).

By the way, if there are any of you who still believe the sugar coated version of the word "cult" that the Way propagates, please read ALL of the above books. Then read Karl's book several times.

Robi


Robi Klee <rklee@mindspring.com>
Atlanta, GA USA - Friday, October 08, 1999 at 01:12:32 (EDT)

Karl I loved the book! Great organization & buildup of your subject. Your experience was very different than mine, but one that I was very cognizant of. My wife and I joined in '71 during the height of the "Jesus" movement and we lived during that time when miracles did happen. But then things fizzled out over the next decade and I saw many just like you who got in for far different, perhaps the wrong reasons.

The material you laid out about the weapons training and twi's thrust into military outreach filled in a lot of gaps where I had heard rumors but lacked facts. I also was amazed about your documentation of Dr.'s involvment from the beginning in pointing the ministry in the direction of a centralized dictatorship. We had always assumed from what we heard that he allowed others to push it in that direction and then couldn't stop it. It seems if Chris Geer is to be believed that between the men he trained and his illnesses that he got a dose of his own medicine and felt pushed out of the loop, no longer in control, and he couldn't stand it.

Overall this is a great read for anyone interested in twi specifically or in the topic of cults and abusive leadership.
Richard Duffy <webworks@pdq.net>
Houston, Tx USA - Thursday, September 30, 1999 at 20:26:19 (EDT)

Loved the book. Very easy to read. Never once did it hurt me. Karl wrote from his own perspective as well as the perspective of others.

I'm so glad I got a chance to read it. I also got some fun e-mails from Karl and he wrote a great personal note in the front of the book and signed his name.

I'm an avid reader, so this is the first book I've read where I feel like I know the author and of course the subject is near and dear to my heart. Thanks Karl
Diana Daniels <dianadan@webtv.net>
Martinez, CA USA - Thursday, September 30, 1999 at 01:35:45 (EDT)

I picked up the book out of my mail box Saturday evening and finished it Sunday night. I really enjoyed every minute of reading it. To me, it's the flip side of "The Way Living in Love." Reading Karl's book brought back so many memories of my Way Daze that I could hardly sleep. A story like much of our stories but one that got written.
Sherry Contreras
San Diego, CA USA - Monday, September 27, 1999 at 20:05:44 (EDT)

I picked up Karl's book out of my mailbox Saturday night and didn't put it down until I finished it Sunday night (except to eat, sleep and do the obligatory laundry). Need I say more?


Sherry Contreras
San Diego, CA USA - Monday, September 27, 1999 at 19:53:02 (EDT)

I have read the book and was mightily impressed with the historical aspect of the book. Having been brought in to TWI in '92 there were things that I had heard about, fog years, etc., that I had always wondered about. I believe Karl did a good job at piecing together the historical aspect to the best of his ability. Obviously there were many more perspectives during those times. But Karl put pen to paper regarding his perspective and the perspective of those who decided to come forth and let theirs be known. I personnally found that the book was worth the $22.00 I sent in to him. For me it was worth buying two. Karl's experience was not dissimiliar to my own. I was amazed at how similar our experiences were in regards to our Wow years, our living with Corps, it was interesting to see the similarities. You did good Karl.
Jake Isenberg <J.Isen@juno.com>
INdianapolis, IN USA - Saturday, September 18, 1999 at 23:40:09 (EDT)

During the 10 years I was involved with The Way International as well as the 5 years since I left, I have read several books about this group. All the books took one of 2 approaches: they were either fully in support and dared not criticize anything (most were published by The Way International's publishing company, American Christian Press), or they brought harsh criticism with no room for any possibility of anything positive coming out of the group.

Karl's book is a refreshing exception. It provides a well-researched and balanced look at a damaging cult. He provides insight to the mind of someone involved in the group, to allow an understanding of how someone could get involved. He has corroborated his facts enough that those that were in can nod their heads in agreement. Many things that were revealed I never knew while I was involved, but now, looking back, I can see that the evidence he presents is accurate and makes sense of several things that happened during my involvement.

I would recommend this book for anyone who was involved or has a friend, family member, or loved one involved in The Way International, as well as pastors, counselors and anyone else that may have to help someone who has left The Way International and has to deal with the betrayal they feel.
Mike Straw <thestraws@usa.net>
Universal City, TX USA - Tuesday, September 14, 1999 at 19:30:08 (EDT)

Having read 'The Cult That Snapped' I find that I am considerably more interested in the facts that Mr. Kahler presented rather than in Mr. Kahler himself. No disrespect meant, I simply read the book because I was interested in the roots and functioning of a group I was deeply involved with from 1978 to 1986.

Needless to say, with all I already knew about The Way International, I was astounded to find out more. The fact that this new information was documented only served to lend credibility to the abhorrent practices I read about.

I highly recommend this book to anyone who was, is or is considering becoming a follower of The Way International. I highly recommend this book to any Way International follower who is still wondering just exactly when and where their 'abundant life' is. This book will show the 'behind the scenes reasons' why the abundant life is absent from The Way International.

Being lied to in the name of God is no small thing. The Way International does 'no small thing'.
W DeWitt <Gurr@webtv.net>
USA - Tuesday, September 14, 1999 at 09:41:38 (EDT)

Just finished Mr. Kahler's book. A 14th Corps grad, He was in his final year of residence when "The Passing Of A Patriarch" was publicly read by Chris Geer and all Hell broke loose. Having left The Way after his graduation, he's written this book about the ministry’s overall "sordid" history, alternating chapters with his own personal experiences with the ministry as well.

I recommend reading this book, but only, I guess, with The National Enquirer disclaimer it deserves. It has many pros and cons to it, so I'll tell you of some and let you decide whether it's worth your time.

Kahler is now a journalist. He's a capable writer and does a very good job of documenting many of his facts concerning the cultic tendencies of The Way. He interviews many key people who were involved from the very beginning, and so provides a number of "juicy" anecdotes that many may not have heard before (I hadn't heard of many -- and I’ve seen almost all there is to be seen on the internet about The Way). The different stories are often fascinating fodder, at times more "high concept" than the best novels of intrigue out there today.

The reader’s fascination with his "behind-the-scenes" expository may likely increase or decrease based on the depth and length of their own involvement with this ministry. The credibility of his facts may be called into some question, depending on who reads them (although, in that case, you'd have to discredit the people he interviewed perhaps more than his own personal truthfulness), but by and large it appears, based on other corroboration I've heard, that much of this controversial reporting is at least close to accurate. His bias shows up more with the condemning trend of the facts he’s gathered, than perhaps with the truthfulness of the facts themselves.

For me, if much of what he says is true, I had many of the "whys" answered, as to why The Way, or individuals in it, acted a certain way, explaining the ministry's rituals, social constructs, etc.  I said, "Aha!" to myself several times while reading it. A lot of it felt pretty "trashy," like I was spending time with some Danielle Steele novel, or some racy Rock-n-roll biography, but perhaps as an appeal to my American fascination with scandal, the book was difficult to put down.

Now, having said that, I must tell you that the book, while fascinating in many places, and for the most part well put together, to me had little redeeming value, spiritually. Mr. Kahler says concerning the infant stages of his reporting on this matter: "I was endeavoring to write a purely objective piece intended for the lay public, a piece of reporting and not of argument." Unfortunately, as I said above, while it is full of objective reporting in many places (if you ignore the occasional snide remarks the authors often inserts), based on the testimony of key people in the ministry, it’s overall objectivity suffers from any lack of balanced perspective, and all the negatives facts in themselves indeed do encompass an argument against the existence of any spiritual benefit anyone might have received in The Way. Such balanced reporting didn’t need to so much offer an alternative defense for The Way’s abusive behavior, but it might have defended the existence of God’s affective hand through this ministry in the lives of many believers, in spite of its human corruption.

Like many people, Mr. Kahler’s devotion and faith were severely betrayed by men who represented God and His Word, and he has unfortunately therefore turned his back on anything redemptive from The Way (as well as anything Biblical or spiritual at all, it appears). The notion that there was a God who was transcendent above all this corruption and was constantly working for the spiritual good of many, many men and women in this ministry over the years, is the "baby" here that, with the bathwater, has been thrown miles from the sentiments of Mr. Kahler’s reporting.

On the "macro" level, perhaps, his condemnation of the ministry as a spiritual entity is likely justified in itself. But, on the "micro" level, I’m sure he could have interviewed far more believers who would have given numerous stories of victory, healing, deliverance, etc. that they experienced while living under the "subversive control" of The Way. The fact that many followed "men of God" with too much zeal and paid the consequences is a profitable argument to be sure. But, the ultimate "personality" in this cult that deserves the credit for any such corresponding success is God. It’s more than unfortunate, and damaging to his narrative, that the author fails to spend any time at all on this plain fact.

To be somewhat sympathetic to his bias, Mr. Kahler was finally reaching the "apex" of what The Way had to offer (short of the upper echelons of leadership) in graduating from The Way Corps at the exact time his ministry's credibility was going down the tubes in the public forum. I suspect it was this contradiction of accomplishment and failure that has apparently lead him to totally turn his back on the integrity of Scripture and basically anything godly that came out of The Way (despite his arguments that it was solely due to the shock of discovering "unresolvable" biblical contradictions). He succeeds for the most part in being "editorially" responsible to the title of his book, but fails in offering any spiritual guidance for those affected by both the good and the bad. The main thrust, by far, of Mr. Kahler's reporting is about the corruption, fanaticism, sexual and mental abuse that occured.

Mr. Kahler’s departure from elevating God’s Word as the highest demarcation of what constitutes ethical behavior leaves him with only a secular, journalistic standard for reporting the good or ill of those he exposes. He does devote a few pages to using Scripture to debunk the "Athletes Of The Spirit" doctrine for whatever reason, but other than that, he chooses not to reprove this ministry for its ungodly and unbiblical behavior by using godly and Biblical documentation for support.

Neither does he offer any progressive spiritual or Scriptural alternatives to all the misdeeds he reports on. This is, at best, unfortunate to his cause. I imagine Mr. Kahler would argue that the induction of so much Scripture would dilute or distract his readers from the "expose'" theme of his manuscript, but I would argue that, since the majority of his readers most likely still hold to the integrity of Scriptural behavior as the standard for right living, his expose’ against these evils would be better received if he had served his audience with the truest standard of what is good and true: God’s Word.

On the whole, while this book will perhaps serve as a good deterrent against new people at this time considering joining The Way (which is even far more controlling now than during most of the era the author reports on), as a balanced exposition on what this ministry was and did, it fails miserably.

Additionally, Mr. Kahler's autobiographical prose leaves something to be desired. Much of it depicts his own self-admitted base and petty motivations to advance in the ministry simply for sexual conquest, and at times, his credibility appears just as questionable as do the leaders in the ministry he is condemning. This doesn't well serve the force of his story as an "objective" reporter. I pondered at times that he was doing this on purpose. I.e., writing a book defined as a tragedy -- where even the author himself, was not above lust and corruption, and certainly wasn't converted out of this behavior as a result of going through the channels of the ministry. Perhaps this theme was his intent, but it is hardly explicit in his writings, and only speculation on my part. Without this interpretation, however, his own story, while at times enticing and personable, doesn’t add much to his editorial goals.

Lastly, there's lots of bad language, blunt and crass statements, etc., that I imagine are intended to lend to the book’s "realism," but I don't feel really added to it's authenticity on the whole.

Strangely, even after all the above criticisms, I admit it is partly due to a trend towards "voyerism" that I read this book so quickly and eagerly. In this light, my weaknesses don't differ much from Mr. Kahler and the leaders he indicts. Such an acknowledgement of common weakness is certainly fundamental though to understanding and authentically enrolling others in the message of the Gospel. In other words, admitting to the fact that we’re all susceptible to the ethical pitfalls Mr. Kahler describes in his book is a good starting place for building again on what was good in The Way, leading others into the future of God’s goodness without the attitude that any of us is infallible to sin and failure. Perhaps this is my "private interpretation" after reading this book, but it is still a lesson well learned.

On the whole, I felt that I did gain something from reading this book. I had certain questions answered, I was able to "contextualize" my perspective towards certain leaders, methodologies, and practices that I myself experienced in The Way. In that sense, I feel a little "freer" from some of the negative bonds that have held me and many others due to my past experience with this ministry. There's lots of stuff to read out there, and even with my mixed feelings, I do feel better off for having read Mr. Kahler's book.


John Michalak <eiszoe1@aol.com>
Indianapolis, IN USA - Monday, September 13, 1999 at 17:18:19 (EDT)

I visited Mr. Kahler's web site, and his book "The Cult that Snapped" appears to document his experiences while he was with TWI. I will admit the title of his book threw me for a loop at first, and I wrongfully concluded his book was similar to the "Snapping" book written by Jack Sparks many years ago.

If I were to critique Mr. Kahler's book, the first thing I would recommend is he change the title of his work. But he probably would not end up with a book as intriguing or perhaps a title as catchy as: "The Cult that Snapped". It likely would not end up being a book he could demand people pay him $22.00 for. After all, who would be willing to shell out a whopping $22.00 for a book perhaps more appropriately titled, "My Experience while I was with TWI". Who would be willing to shell out $22.00 to essentially read the same "stuff" about TWI that is already splattered all over the internet - something anybody can just as easily read for free? This is about all you will find in Mr. Kahler's book, "The Cult that Snapped." All I am convinced is one would have to first "snap" before they shelled out $22.00 of hard-earned money just to read the same mediocre drivel you can find on the internet for free!

After reading the excerpts of Mr. Kahler's book from his web site, his experience in TWI does not suggest or come close to indicating the same experience of "snapping" Jack Sparks had referred to in his book from years before. What is Mr. Kahler referring to when speaking of: "The Cult that Snapped"? What is really confusing is there are two different authors who make reference to the term "snapping", but each critic starts from a different premise in regards to what they consider "snapping" to be.

Even though I have not seen the Jack Sparks book in years, nor have I completely read his book, I have a strong opinion about what snapping meant to Mr. Sparks. I can not say the same in respect to Mr. Kahler's book. As a reader I am left wondering what "snapping" in TWI meant. What does Mr. Kahler believe "snapped" in TWI? Was it the back-lashing he received from his TWI peers? Was it the Passing of the Patriarch document written and read by Chris Geer? Is it something completely different than this or a combination of these things? I am not putting forth an argument to debate whether the things Mr. Kahler talks about actually took place in TWI, nor am I attempting to negate any of Mr. Kahler's experiences while he was with TWI. But of necessity, we must ask Mr Kahler to clarify his terms.

"Before we proceed further, we must define our terms. Many people could be misled because while we may be using the same language or words, we may not mean the same thing." This is something VPW, the founder of TWI wrote years before. You would think Mr. Kahler who was at one time involved in TWI would at least define his use of the term "snapping" (so one would not be purposely misled) yet Mr. Kahler purposely fails to define his terms or explain what snapped in TWI. What snapped in TWI is left vague on purpose. It is up to the reader to draw their own conclusion regarding what "snapped" in TWI. It is apparent the readers of his book will be completely confused and misled in regard to what really snapped in TWI.

People will only go as far with God as they wish and choose to go. God won't overstep anyone's free will in that respect. Mr. Kahler should at least explain why he is compelled to evaluate one's spiritual life in respect to somebody else's spiritual mistakes, or in light of somebody else's spiritual accomplishments for that matter. That would at least provide us with a clearer insight into what "snapped" for Mr. Kahler, and perhaps the reason behind this book. But I digress as I discover myself speaking only in respect of his experiences while he was either in or now while he is out of TWI. Answer this question for yourself first before you consider buying this book. Why should one be compelled to evaluate their life in light of, or in respect to what someone else believes and how they now act, or whether they are involved or not involved in TWI? Moreover and perhaps more importantly, in respect to how much or how little somebody else believes or doesn't believe of God's Word, or how they now choose to live and behave?
Sunbird
In the state of, IA USA - Thursday, September 09, 1999 at 16:17:56 (EDT)

"BRILLIANCE TO BURN!
Karl's work is a stunner, a roller
coaster ride to hell with twists and turns
which kisses the tender face of God's
knowledge, and plunges us into the twisted
orifice of a sadistic farmer's cunning
imagination!! A MUST READ!!

Daniel Mahar <dmahar@snet.net>
East Hampton, CT USA - Thursday, September 09, 1999 at 14:56:10 (EDT

Karl's book is the most in-depth look at The Way International that I've yet seen.

Dr. John Juedes has done excellent work in this field also (http://e2.empirenet.com/~messiah7/cultsthe.htm), but Karl takes the in-depth research to previously unheard of levels!

I've read "Born Again to Serve" by Dorothea Wierwille, and I've read "Living in Love" by Elena Whiteside, but both of these books were produced by The Way to promote their side of the story. It's high time that people are finally getting a chance to read about The Way in publications like Karl's book and on web sites that are not controlled by The Way. People are finally being afforded the opportunity to read the other side of the story. If this book had been available when I was 17 years old, I know that my father would have been successful in his efforts to talk me out of involving myself in the world of The Way International.

Karl's book is very skillfully written and his personal story of involvement in The Way is wonderfully woven into this "must read" book. Be sure to read some of the excerpts from the book that are provided on this site in the Contents section.

Karl has researched his story well and has documented all of his sources. The recollections and revelations of those who Karl has interviewed in his book are oftentimes stunning. Some of the content of this book no doubt will be hotly contested and furiously debated by some in the ex-Way world.

You'll have to make your own decision on whether or not you believe what this book sets forth, but in my opinion, if you've ever been a part of The Way, or had a family member be a part of The Way, then this book is a must read.

The Way International has deeply impacted the lives of many thousands of people (members and families of members). Now you can buy a well researched book offering the other side of the story.
Ex-Twi <extwi@waydale.com>
USA - Wednesday, September 08, 1999 at 16:20:56 (EDT)

Karl's book is a fascinating history of The Way interlaced with his own experiences. I learned more about The Way from the book than I did by being in it myself in the 70's - and I held a variety of ministry positions.

Not only is the book well written and interesting it is actually a liberating experience to read it. I recommend this book to anyone who ever took PFAL or had a family member who did.
A Former Way Researcher <not_loy@hotmail.com>
USA - Wednesday, September 08, 1999 at 13:54:29 (EDT)